Network disables when chunk unloads/server resets

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Network disables when chunk unloads/server resets

gahertrj opened this issue 7 years ago · 15 comments

gahertrj commented 7 years ago

We are running the direwolf 20 pack for 1.12.2. Essentially any time a chunk unloads or a server restart happens the AE2 network will cease to get power through the energy acceptor and you have to pick up every block and place it again to get it to work.

Minecraft Version: 1.12.2
AE2 Version: rv5
Forge Version: 14.23.1.2566

gahertrj · Answer 1 · 2017-12-20T11:41:23.000Z

I haven't used and AE2 energy cells. It's basically a top tier thermal expansion cell attached to the energy acceptor which is then wired to everything with the fluix cables. The power never goes out unless there is a server reset or the chunk gets unloaded. Once that happens all the machines need to be picked up and replaced in order to accept power again.

We are using pretty much the basic direwolf pack which I don't think has any performance mods. The system would stay fully powered for days as long as the server doesn't reset.

gahertrj · Answer 2 · 2017-12-20T11:43:33.000Z

I haven't used and AE2 energy cells. It's basically a top tier thermal expansion cell attached to the energy acceptor which is then wired to everything with the fluix cables. The power never goes out unless there is a server reset or the chunk gets unloaded. Once that happens all the machines need to be picked up and replaced in order to accept power again. We are using pretty much the basic direwolf pack which I don't think has any performance mods. The system would stay fully powered for days as long as the server doesn't reset. On Dec 20, 2017 03:57, "mindforger" <[email protected]> wrote: do you have energy cells in the system? sounds like it is unabbbbble to scan the network bec ause it is loosing power again and again? input power is limited by the capacity of the system, available power means nothing if the capacity is limited also, do you use something like spongeserver or any other "performance enhancing" mods? — You are receiving this because you authored the thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#3285 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AhFnnkWiam582PFTbXZW_I1YVhNgXRfZks5tCMwUgaJpZM4RHpw8> .

mindforger · Answer 3 · 2017-12-20T08:57:51.000Z

do you have energy cells in the system? sounds like it is unable to scan the network bec ause it is loosing power again and again?

input power is limited by the capacity of the system, available power means nothing if the capacity is limited

also, do you use something like spongeserver or any other "performance enhancing" mods?

mindforger · Answer 4 · 2017-12-20T18:26:18.000Z

simple example ... constructing network costs X amount where normal operation only consumes Y where Y < X .. if X > System Capacity the system starts building, aborts due to power loss and tries again the next tick when it got refilled .... while it CAN run with input and capacity > Y, it can not initialize when capacity < X the power needed to initialize the system .... energy cells are simply a buffer to compensate power surges

i sometimes write things in CAPITAL letters where i could make it bold text instead but on mobile it is quite difficult to use markdown due to limited keyboard

sorry if it felt rude to you

also @ktole1999 an unloading chunk can reload immediately due to neighbouring chunks ... there are a lot of mods doing such a thing ... when the network is interrupted for a brief periode the network needs to reinit after the chunk has loaded and the connection to the part is established again

i am tempted to say that reinit of the network should not cost any power as a proposal for the future (like some guard in the code preventing power consumption on a component being loaded with an prior unloaded chunk to quiet down this type of issue)

second @gahertrj if the issue still persists, can you please do a forced crashlog by pressing and holding F3 + C while ingame (not menu) and post that crashlog via pastebin to have an insight on the modpack?

gahertrj · Answer 5 · 2017-12-20T18:39:36.000Z

No worries, text has that impact sometimes. I understand the probable issue and will run some tests this evening when I get the chance. I do appreciate the insights, truly.

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On Dec 20, 2017 13:26, "mindforger" ***@***.***> wrote: simple example ... constructing network costs X amount where normal operation only consumes Y where Y < X .. if X > System Capacity the system starts building, aborts due to power loss and tries again the next tick when it got refilled .... while it CAN run with input and capacity > Y, it can not run when capacity < X the power needed to initialize the system .... energy cells are simply a buffer to compensate power surges i sometimes write things in CAPITAL letters where i could make it bold text instead but on mobile it is quite difficult to use markdown due to limited keyboard sorry if it felt rude to you — You are receiving this because you authored the thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#3285 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AhFnnhOlbDMKBi5ZlVLzKweppVkQI106ks5tCVFNgaJpZM4RHpw8> .

ktole1999 · Answer 6 · 2017-12-20T18:53:35.000Z

thanks for clarification.

mindforger · Answer 7 · 2017-12-20T16:25:00.000Z

then install some ... i clearly said available power means NOTHING when there is not enought capacity to keep the ME system up for a single server tick

gahertrj · Answer 8 · 2017-12-20T16:31:50.000Z

I clearly said that the power never fluctuates on and off. It runs for days on end with zero issues through thousands of server ticks. It's only a server restart that disables all the machines and they will not restart without being picked up and placed again. After that point they will run again for days without issue until a server reset. The only thing clear from your replies is a bit of a dickish attitude.

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On Dec 20, 2017 11:25, "mindforger" ***@***.***> wrote: then install some ... i clearly said available power means NOTHING when there is not enought capacity to keep the system up for a single server tick — You are receiving this because you authored the thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#3285 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AhFnnuOXYwBGIt9AI683_dcCaAIX1PVDks5tCTThgaJpZM4RHpw8> .

fscan · Answer 9 · 2017-12-20T17:08:16.000Z

I love people who come here for help, get a valid helpful response and somehow feel the need to insult.
If you tried the suggested solution and it didn't work, please say so. No need to insult a someone who sacrifices their free time to help some random person.

gahertrj · Answer 10 · 2017-12-20T17:28:56.000Z

I simply haven't had the chance to try it yet as I am at work. You asked questions and i answered them. Then you attacked me in a rude manner. I don't know why you expected a praising thank you response for a rude comment. I fully intend to try your solution, what I'm trying to understand is why you think it would help. Because the input power obviously enough to run the tiny system I'm using, this is shown by the fact that it works flawlessly 99% of the time. Only failing when a server restart happens. The assertion that there isn't enough power to run it seems flawed to me since the power is sufficient to run it for days before a reset. Nothing else in the system changes.

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On Dec 20, 2017 12:08, "fscan" ***@***.***> wrote: I love people who come here for help, get a valid helpful response and somehow feel the need to insult. If you tried the suggested solution and it didn't work, please say so. No need to insult a someone who sacrifices their free time to help some random person. — You are receiving this because you authored the thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#3285 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AhFnnnkjXM4eiWn6YXcxmy6jO1q_bMquks5tCT8GgaJpZM4RHpw8> .

fscan · Answer 11 · 2017-12-20T17:47:02.000Z

Nobody attacked you. He tried to explain to you twice that it doesn't matter how much energy you can theoretically pump in, if your network doesn't have the maximum capacity to do all the operations at once (which may happen on startup). The best way to extend that capacity is to install AE2 energy cells. Not saying that this is definitely the problem, but its a very common issue.

gahertrj · Answer 12 · 2017-12-20T17:53:54.000Z

That explanation is a lot clearer than the original poster explanation. I took his comment as an attack because of the all caps nonsense. He implied that the power was fluctuating due to lack of energy flow into the system. If that was the case it wouldn't be able to run flawlessly between resets. But from what you're describing it sounds like the startup requires all the power at once which could be higher than the cable can process since it's the 4k rf cable. That doesn't explain why items don't kick on once I start removing parts from the network. But if it just flat out stalls completely then either a higher capacity cable or a storage unit on the ae side would fix it.

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On Dec 20, 2017 12:47, "fscan" ***@***.***> wrote: Nobody attacked you. He tried to explain to you twice that it doesn't matter how much energy you can theoretically pump in, if your network doesn't have the maximum capacity to do all the operations at once (which may happen on startup). The best way to extend that capacity is to install AE2 energy cells. Not saying that this is definitely the problem, but its a very common issue. — You are receiving this because you authored the thread. Reply to this email directly, view it on GitHub <#3285 (comment)>, or mute the thread <https://github.com/notifications/unsubscribe-auth/AhFnnqfs9t8PGX862YWSG22g0rSQOennks5tCUgZgaJpZM4RHpw8> .

ktole1999 · Answer 13 · 2017-12-20T17:59:13.000Z

if the system is stable and sustaining as long as the chunk is loaded then there is enough power being applied. if the issue happens when chunk unloads then what else could cause it other than something is not acknowledging the presence of power? would that be the controller? I am just trying to understand.

fscan · Answer 14 · 2017-12-20T18:03:38.000Z

No, again .. its not about cables or how much you pump into the AE2 network. Its about how much the network itself can store internally. Its like RAM vs HDD space. The AE2 network is one big energy storage from which all the devices draw from (and contribute to in case of a cell). If its empty it stops working, doesn't matter if it gets refilled the next tick.

ktole1999 · Answer 15 · 2017-12-20T18:05:37.000Z

if it gets refilled on next tick it should work? why the need to break and replace? i know nothing about code so smite me if needed. lol

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