[Suggestion] Remove mods by LobsterJonn
Mieridduryn opened this issue · 18 comments
Describe your suggestion
I would like to suggest that all mods (of which there are several) authored by LobsterJonn are removed from Craftoria.
Why would you like this added/changed?
LobsterJonn recently published a concerning mod called "It's A Kids' Game" to CurseForge. This mod has since been deleted from the platform (literally less than an hour ago as I write this). Its original description stated that the mod's purpose was to remove gender/sexuality related content (namely the LGBeeTs from The Bumblezone) that other mods might add so that a hypothetical concerned (and homophobic) parent could let their child play a modpack without... GASP! Seeing bees with strange colors on their fuzzy little bodies!
LobsterJonn is promoting the dangerous and untrue idea that LGBT+ people are somehow inappropriate for children.
Keep your identity politics to yourself; they have no place here. Removing 6 mods because you got your feelings hurt has to be the most illogical reason for a change to a pack that I've seen.
This isn't a "got [my] feelings hurt" situation, this is a "this guy's a jerk, may wanna avoid his mods" situation.
Either way, you're making an emotional argument instead of a logical one. I'm saying that sacrificing playable content for ideological nonsense hurts the pack more than it helps it for most people. If you're so offended by his mods, then you can remove them for yourself in your own playthrough.
Not every argument has to be logic-without-emotion. Take into account the humans behind the screen. LGBT+ erasure is not "ideological nonsense" and it is really, REALLY rude to label it as such.
I think that there is a case for both keeping and removing his mods (do his controversial actions outweigh the enjoyment his mods bring? are they replaceable? etc.). Regardless, OP merely made a suggestion and it should be treated as such, not as a debate with insults.
Im ready for the hate here. I do not see a ton wrong with the mod.
Did the mod target anybody specifically? No.
Did the mod disrespect anybody with it's description? No.
What did the mod say it would do? Remove pride flags from bees because the goal was to keep sex and gender out of the game, by poorly framing it as "the game is for kids".
And yes, the flag could have been removed via config. However, maybe there were plans to branch out to any other mods that included such content(not that I can think of any others). The description gave a goal, but never specifically said that the mod would forever and always be just for the bees, so im willing to give them the benefit of the doubt that it was possibly in early stages.
And before I get attacked. This is very much a more political topic, right, so there are going to be sides or opinions that are pro, anti, and neutral. It should stand to reason that adding a flag creates representation and the belief that it's pro, and therefore a mod should also exist that's anti.
Just because your politics and beliefs don't match up doesn't mean we should be sending the pitchforks after someone and doesn't mean we should be casting them out forever. You yourself, if you do not agree with them, can simply not use their mods. For me, I really just do not care whether the flag exists, whether the flag doesn't.
I'm under the strong belief that people are free to express themselves and voice their opinions, whether or not they're seen as write by certain groups of people. I genuinely don't think this was malicious and to harm anybody as it would only do so by installing the mod, and that would say more on the pack developers than the mod developer themselves.
Me personally, this is just one big overreaction to a mod that really just removes a flag, and I just keep seeing people attach their own meanings and definitions to a situation that just may not be that bad in reality. If I'm wrong and the guy is a total POS, then I guess im wrong. I'd just rather give people a chance and the benefit of the doubt.
At the end of the day, it's just mods. Just have fun.
One huge important thing to note - the mod is optional. It's not forced. Whoever is going around saying it's "complete LGBTQ+ erasure" is just wrong because it's a completely optional mod that you need to seek out to download, or a pack will download it and evidently will say more about the pack dev than anything else and would mean you'd avoid it.
Now if base minecraft or neoforge added it, then that would be a problem. But a standalone mod whose sole purpose is to do this? Yeah I think thats fine, it's it's own thing and not attached to something else.
And it a bit crazy to say "seeing bees with strange colors on their fuzzy little bodies" as if those colors have absolutely 0 meaning, but then say "yeah those colors have a very specific meaning and therefore the mod shouldn't exist". Which one is it? Is it just random colors with no meaning, or specifically chosen colors with deep meaning? If it's the first, then yeah no need to get upset.... on either party. The latter? Then there stands to reason that some will be for, and some will be against that meaning. Can't have things both ways and criticize them for getting upset at colors, when you can get upset at the removal of the colors.
Keep your identity politics to yourself; they have no place here. Removing 6 mods because you got your feelings hurt has to be the most illogical reason for a change to a pack that I've seen.
I agree that it isn't very logical. Here's why:
What if, for example, the AE2 creator was involved in this? Would we remove AE2 from the pack? I don't think so.
Keep your identity politics to yourself; they have no place here. Removing 6 mods because you got your feelings hurt has to be the most illogical reason for a change to a pack that I've seen.
I agree that it isn't very logical. Here's why:
What if, for example, the AE2 creator was involved in this? Would we remove AE2 from the pack? I don't think so.
Actually? You probably would, sooner or later. If the AE2 devs became anti-LGBT+, the modded Minecraft community as a whole would likely either fork it or replace it with a different mod. Lobsterjonn's mods aren't as essential to a kitchen sink pack as AE2 (or RS) is, anyway. That's not a good comparison to make.
Keep your identity politics to yourself; they have no place here. Removing 6 mods because you got your feelings hurt has to be the most illogical reason for a change to a pack that I've seen.
This isn't a "got [my] feelings hurt" situation, this is a "this guy's a jerk, may wanna avoid his mods" situation.
Well, I would really love for his mods to remain in the pack. Since they are useful and have nothing wrong with them.
Keep your identity politics to yourself; they have no place here. Removing 6 mods because you got your feelings hurt has to be the most illogical reason for a change to a pack that I've seen.
This isn't a "got [my] feelings hurt" situation, this is a "this guy's a jerk, may wanna avoid his mods" situation.
Either way, you're making an emotional argument instead of a logical one. I'm saying that sacrificing playable content for ideological nonsense hurts the pack more than it helps it for most people. If you're so offended by his mods, then you can remove them for yourself in your own playthrough.
Keep your identity politics to yourself; they have no place here. Removing 6 mods because you got your feelings hurt has to be the most illogical reason for a change to a pack that I've seen.
I agree. The config literally existed already; it was made purely out of spite for the community.
Would the authors of this pack continue to associate with a mod creator who said that children should not be exposed to the existence of Jews?
These are historically rather related viewpoints to be clear.
A whole bunch of LobsterJonn's projects easily fall into the category of slop.
Productive Bees or Just Enough Archeology? Those maybe not. But you see for yourself with your own eyes how little this individual who now exposed himself with such actions actually brings to the table that's worthwhile keeping around.
Take a hit for the team, for everybody's sake and remove all content from this author. And find replacements elsewhere if needed.
A whole bunch of LobsterJonn's projects easily fall into the category of slop. Productive Bees or Just Enough Archeology? Those maybe not. But you see for yourself with your own eyes how little this individual who now exposed himself with such actions actually brings to the table that's worthwhile keeping around.
Take a hit for the team, for everybody's sake and remove all content from this author. And find replacements elsewhere if needed.
Agree - dude's using AI thumbnails.
This won't improve the pack whatsover. So this suggestion is clueless.
Actions have consequences. If the community, more specifically modpack creators--as they are the ones who are likely contributing the most to someone's success on the platform--, do not enforce a change, who is there to stop this from happening again without much of anything negative in return.
There are responsibilities to uphold as your inclusion of their products/projects falls right back on you as users may view it as tolerance of such behavior.
I am not one to be entirely against giving someone another chance another time but taking the first steps against such wrongdoings should set an example for others to hopefully follow as they uncover these cases--assuming there are more to occur or already did.
Agree - dude's using AI thumbnails.
Sure does not help the situation one bit. Not in a sense of being unrelated but rather pouring even more salt into the wound.
Yet another reason as to why for my personal pack dev I am actively filtering out this nonsense. Has no place around and I let my actions by not tolerating it speak for themselves.
Probably will not stop them generating a whole bunch more revenue off of a lack of ethics
