Agumentation - Eruption recommanded outside Ebon Might buff and other minor issue
N30Exca opened this issue ยท 16 comments
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- I am reporting an issue with the default priority included with the specialization (imported or edited priorities are not supported).
Describe the Issue
Erruption gets suggested if Essence burst is active but EM is not ready and it shouldnen't
I also noticed that after fire breath suggested at rank 4 it will nevere again gat suggested at rank 4 and some times during rotation when casting it or upheaval all suggestion totaly disapeared
How to Reproduce
running normal rotation if essence burst is up and ebon might is not ready erruption still get suggested
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Yes ok but..... Sim for Agu is not fully implemented and is still basicly for developers...
Not the point here man, you never ever cast and extender (Eruption/BoF/UH) outside EM buff and if you talk about BoF rank you cast It rank 4 in nearly all of the scenario.
nearly all of the scenario
This means sometimes. So knowing if it would happen in the sim (which now can be done) is important.
Ok if you say so....
still there are coupple other issue that i reported like all addon disapear while some time casting FB/UH and that is realt realy wierd
You are allowed to use eruption if you are capped on essence burst procs and ebon might is on cooldown, or if you are at max essence charges and ebon might is on cooldown and the time it would take to recharge to full is less than how much longer ebon might is on cooldown for
You are allowed to use eruption if you are capped on essence burst procs and ebon might is on cooldown, or if you are at max essence charges and ebon might is on cooldown and the time it would take to recharge to full is less than how much longer ebon might is on cooldown for
You never ever cast It outside EM.... Or any extender at all Just check evoker discord....
You are allowed to use eruption if you are capped on essence burst procs and ebon might is on cooldown, or if you are at max essence charges and ebon might is on cooldown and the time it would take to recharge to full is less than how much longer ebon might is on cooldown for
You never ever cast It outside EM.... Or any extender at all Just check evoker discord....
You go ask yourself. You are correct that you should not use fire breath or upheavel outside of EM ever. But you are allowed to cast eruption in very specific scenarios, which I outlined above. The reason you can use eruption in those cases is because your essence or essence burst procs would be otherwise wasted if you held onto them to wait for EM to come back off cooldown. Thus it is a dps increase to use eruption in those specific cases because you aren't using resources you need.
You are allowed to use eruption if you are capped on essence burst procs and ebon might is on cooldown, or if you are at max essence charges and ebon might is on cooldown and the time it would take to recharge to full is less than how much longer ebon might is on cooldown for
You never ever cast It outside EM.... Or any extender at all Just check evoker discord....
You go ask yourself. You are correct that you should not use fire breath or upheavel outside of EM ever. But you are allowed to cast eruption in very specific scenarios, which I outlined above. The reason you can use eruption in those cases is because your essence or essence burst procs would be otherwise wasted if you held onto them to wait for EM to come back off cooldown. Thus it is a dps increase to use eruption in those specific cases because you aren't using resources you need.
If what you Say Is correct the WA should not trigger but It trigger meaning that in that Moment you should not cast Eruption...
You are allowed to use eruption if you are capped on essence burst procs and ebon might is on cooldown, or if you are at max essence charges and ebon might is on cooldown and the time it would take to recharge to full is less than how much longer ebon might is on cooldown for
You never ever cast It outside EM.... Or any extender at all Just check evoker discord....
You go ask yourself. You are correct that you should not use fire breath or upheavel outside of EM ever. But you are allowed to cast eruption in very specific scenarios, which I outlined above. The reason you can use eruption in those cases is because your essence or essence burst procs would be otherwise wasted if you held onto them to wait for EM to come back off cooldown. Thus it is a dps increase to use eruption in those specific cases because you aren't using resources you need.
If what you Say Is correct the WA should not trigger but It trigger meaning that in that Moment you should not cast Eruption...
Here is the conditions for when you should cast eruption according to the Hekili addon, which is based on the SimC input:
buff.ebon_might.remains > execute_time | essence.deficit = 0 & buff.essence_burst.down | buff.essence_burst.stack = buff.essence_burst.max_stack & cooldown.ebon_might.remains > 4
What this means is use Eruption if at least one of the following is true:
- You have enough time to cast Eruption before the Ebon Might buff ends
- Ebon Might is on cooldown and will be off cooldown in greater than 4 seconds AND you are full on Essence and you have no Essence Burst up
- Ebon Might is on cooldown and will be off cooldown in greater than 4 seconds AND you are full on Essence Burst stacks (usually this is 2 as we always run the talent which lets Essence Burst stack twice)
I see no issue with these commands, they provide you the right logic for when to use Eruption in any fight.
You are allowed to use eruption if you are capped on essence burst procs and ebon might is on cooldown, or if you are at max essence charges and ebon might is on cooldown and the time it would take to recharge to full is less than how much longer ebon might is on cooldown for
You never ever cast It outside EM.... Or any extender at all Just check evoker discord....
You go ask yourself. You are correct that you should not use fire breath or upheavel outside of EM ever. But you are allowed to cast eruption in very specific scenarios, which I outlined above. The reason you can use eruption in those cases is because your essence or essence burst procs would be otherwise wasted if you held onto them to wait for EM to come back off cooldown. Thus it is a dps increase to use eruption in those specific cases because you aren't using resources you need.
If what you Say Is correct the WA should not trigger but It trigger meaning that in that Moment you should not cast Eruption...
Here is the conditions for when you should cast eruption according to the Hekili addon, which is based on the SimC input:
buff.ebon_might.remains > execute_time | essence.deficit = 0 & buff.essence_burst.down | buff.essence_burst.stack = buff.essence_burst.max_stack & cooldown.ebon_might.remains > 4
What this means is use Eruption if at least one of the following is true:
- You have enough time to cast Eruption before the Ebon Might buff ends
- Ebon Might is on cooldown and will be off cooldown in greater than 4 seconds AND you are full on Essence and you have no Essence Burst up
- Ebon Might is on cooldown and will be off cooldown in greater than 4 seconds AND you are full on Essence Burst stacks (usually this is 2 as we always run the talent which lets Essence Burst stack twice)
I see no issue with these commands, they provide you the right logic for when to use Eruption in any fight.
If the code is correct
why the WAra trigger then,,, if it trigger then....
Maybe because it isn't?
I don't understand what you mean. The addon is only triggering Eruption how i detailed out above. Which is not an issue.
You are allowed to use eruption if you are capped on essence burst procs and ebon might is on cooldown, or if you are at max essence charges and ebon might is on cooldown and the time it would take to recharge to full is less than how much longer ebon might is on cooldown for
You never ever cast It outside EM.... Or any extender at all Just check evoker discord....
You go ask yourself. You are correct that you should not use fire breath or upheavel outside of EM ever. But you are allowed to cast eruption in very specific scenarios, which I outlined above. The reason you can use eruption in those cases is because your essence or essence burst procs would be otherwise wasted if you held onto them to wait for EM to come back off cooldown. Thus it is a dps increase to use eruption in those specific cases because you aren't using resources you need.
If what you Say Is correct the WA should not trigger but It trigger meaning that in that Moment you should not cast Eruption...
Here is the conditions for when you should cast eruption according to the Hekili addon, which is based on the SimC input:
buff.ebon_might.remains > execute_time | essence.deficit = 0 & buff.essence_burst.down | buff.essence_burst.stack = buff.essence_burst.max_stack & cooldown.ebon_might.remains > 4
What this means is use Eruption if at least one of the following is true:
- You have enough time to cast Eruption before the Ebon Might buff ends
- Ebon Might is on cooldown and will be off cooldown in greater than 4 seconds AND you are full on Essence and you have no Essence Burst up
- Ebon Might is on cooldown and will be off cooldown in greater than 4 seconds AND you are full on Essence Burst stacks (usually this is 2 as we always run the talent which lets Essence Burst stack twice)
I see no issue with these commands, they provide you the right logic for when to use Eruption in any fight.
If the code is correct
why the WAra trigger then,,, if it trigger then....
Maybe because it isn't?
Im talking about this WA
That helps you to don't cast extenders outside EM... I use it as a fail safe thats why i noticed this issue
Im talking about this WA
That helps you to don't cast extenders outside EM... I use it as a fail safe thats why i noticed this issue
Thank you for explaining. This weakaura has nothing to do with the Hekili addon, and it does exactly as you stated. It plays a sound when you cast eruption if Ebon Might is not up. They did not program that weakaura to take into account the small cases where it is okay to cast eruption outside of Ebon Might (as detailed above, and as the Hekili addon tells you).
You don't have to listen to the Hekili addon if you don't want. It is only a tiny tiny DPS increase to play the above described anyway. But just because that weakaura plays a sound outside of Ebon Might buff times, doesn't mean Hekili is wrong.
Once again, still you shouldn't cast Fire Breath or Upheaval outside of Ebon Might buff time, but Hekili does not recommend that anyway.
Good vibes only in the tickets, please.
You can customize your priority if you want to sit at cap with 2 stacks + full Essence for several seconds, but I don't think it would actually be optimal (which is why it's specifically accounted for). The addon is notorious for revealing the exceptions and/or intersections between rules.