[REC] Sub: Recommending Flagellation separately from Shadow Blades
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Describe the Issue
For sub rogue:
Hekili is recommending using Flagellation when Shadow Blades is on CD and will be up soon. It does not wait for Shadow Blades when you're supposed to always sync them. It does not wait for Shadow Blades to be less than 12s either before wanting you to cast Flagellation.
From Wowhead guide: https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/rogue/subtlety/rotation-cooldowns-pve-dps
Flagellation use explained.
Flagellation is always aligned with Shadow Blades. The easy way to do this is to Flagellation - Finish - Shadow Blades.
However the Flagellation mastery buff is the important part of the spell, this allows you to use the spell earlier as long as Shadow Blades once you get the 12-second mastery buff.
From Icy veins: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/subtlety-rogue-pve-dps-rotation-cooldowns-abilities
Cast Shadow Blades Icon Shadow Blades on cooldown, paired with Flagellation Icon Flagellation as often as possible.
Use Flagellation Icon Flagellation with enough combo points to finish after and if Shadow Blades Icon Shadow Blades is up or has less than 12 seconds remaining on its cooldown.
How to Reproduce
- Be subtlety rogue spec
- Use shadow blades and flagellation and wait for flagellation to come off CD (they have different timers), or just use shadow blades by itself and wait for any period.
- Hekili will always recommend using flagellation no matter the CD on shadow blades.
Example 1:
with 1 min left on shadow blades:
Example 2:
with 20s left on shadow blades:
https://pastebin.com/Nyk2cnfd
Snapshot (Link)
Raidbots Sim Report (Link)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qT3xx1ctLUoNw8wZc2qPk1
Additional Information
I linked patchwerk above but it happens regardless if aoe or ST. Here is dungeon slice:
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oPw5YyouApsirmLyKJma9F
Contact Information
No response
Example 1: with 1 min left on shadow blades:
Your sim also does this because of Vanish CDR. At the 2 minute mark of your sim it casts flagellation, then again at 3 minutes along with shadowblade. This can also be seen in most of the top rogue mythic volcoross logs: https://lorrgs.io/spec_ranking/rogue-subtlety/volcoross
Example 2: with 20s left on shadow blades: https://pastebin.com/Nyk2cnfd
Snapshot (Link)
Same as above point. Vanish is going to lower the CD, probably a few recommendations after this snapshot. It looks like you're going 4 spells without casting, but 2 of those recommendations are off the GCD so this 4-recommendation is only flagellation + 1 global. A snapshot of this afterwards showing it not casting vanish or shadowblades would probably be helpful.
Maybe a rogue main can chime in, but I don't see the issue here.
Example 1:
with 1 min left on shadow blades:
The entry used here has a section specifically intended to use Flagellation out of sync with Shadow Blades if Invigorating Shadowdust and Shadow Dance are talented:
cooldown.shadow_blades.remains[71.09] >= 14 & talent.invigorating_shadowdust.enabled[true] & talent.shadow_dance.enabled[true]
The same is true of example 2 for the same reasons:
cooldown.shadow_blades.remains[20.60] >= 14 & talent.invigorating_shadowdust.enabled[true] & talent.shadow_dance.enabled[true]
Removing this bit of logic loses about 1.5% DPS on average:
