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Spec

Rogue - subtlety

Describe the Issue

Any time I get into a fight be it dorn dummies or Mug'zee to test if it's different mid raid the rotation keeps defaulting to spamming backstab with eviscerate thrown it, it basically never tries to go into burst mode and when it does it only uses one or two CDs before reverting back to backstab.

I have tried resetting to default a few times, reinstalled the addon twice but it continues to act like this.

How to Reproduce

Run sub rogue and fight with default Hekili rotation

Snapshot (Link)

https://pastebin.com/WpNpWwPg

Raidbots Sim Report (Link)

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kJ7ojYJmBQmaDTHVTmkPjo

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Please provide a quicksim of your character in the same situation

Added

Thanks for getting that. I ran your talent build for a few minutes but I am not really seeing any issues.

• On opener, it uses everything
• It saves cold blood for sec tec + symbols
• It uses what mini-cooldowns it can, while making sure they are all back up for shadowblades

Regarding "backstab spam", did you play through the rotation? While it looks like it's showing 4, that's not what actually happens if you continue following it. What happens here is there is RNG combo point generation that happens due to shadowcraft / shadow techniques. The philosophy of the addon design is to never assume you will gain an RNG proc. Telling someone they'll get something and then it not happening is poor user experience. Instead, when you do get it the addon updates and it's a "happy surprise".

In practice, the "backstab spam" almost always ends up being 1-2 backstabs depending on RNG.

Does this answer all the concerns or did I miss something else?

So I played through the entire Mug'zee fight with the rotation on and aside from the start of mandate into vanish and rupture almost the entire fight it had me cast backstab/evis and when it did pop cooldowns unlike the rotation from a few days ago where it would push all the burst CDs together and I could easily hit 2-3m, it hits maybe 2 of the burst CDs and then goes back to backstab/evis.

I don't exactly know if I'm doing something wrong or if the helper is but over the course of the update I've gone from 600-800k out of burst and 2-4m in burst to 200-400k out of burst and if I'm lucky 800k in burst if I follow it's recommendations.

Not trying to hijack the thread, just wanted to say I noticed the same thing doing m+ yesterday. No CDs I was pushing 200-300k and it had me spamming rupture.

I eventually switched back to sin.

same thing also happening to me endless rupture suggestions. seems like it's not recommending flagellation but once you use it will stop suggesting backstab temporarily.

Raided Undermine and have ran multiple M+s and it's wanting me to basically spam Rupture also. The backstab thing does seem to prioritize it more than usual, but Hekili is practically unusable for sub rogue. I could have just dropped a 7 point Rupture, but it'll suggest me to rupture it again and again as soon as I build my combo points back up.

Happy to demo this.

I have a fix for the rupture spam already (I think). Is there anything else weird?

The backstab thing isn't an issue, it's explained in my earlier comment regarding RNG generation.

Nah everything else seems more or less fine.

Fix has been submitted, thanks for the info / answers.