[REC] Elemental Equilibrium Talent Management
orcidcd opened this issue · 14 comments
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Feature Request
In the latest version, Elemental Shamans need to select the elemental_equilibrium talent. It's an aura with a hidden counterpart. The description says that after dealing Fire/Frost/Nature spell damage within 10 seconds, a 10% damage-increasing buff is triggered for 10 seconds. This effect can be triggered once every 30 seconds, meaning it's a proc - based skill with a 10 - second duration and a 20 - second CD.
This implies:
①It's a proc - based skill that requires specific skill combos or Elemental Blast to trigger.
②The debuff has a hidden 20 - second CD detectable by WA, so Hekili should also detect it.
③If detectable, I can use specific conditions like !buff to release missing Fire/Frost/Nature spell damage and trigger the buff.
Here are the sentences I've tested that didn't work and the corresponding WA and links:
Tested but non - functional sentences:
①!buff.elemental_equilibrium_nature.up
②!buff.elemental_equilibrium_fire.up
③!buff.elemental_equilibrium_frost.up
How elemental_equilibrium appears in WA:
https://wago.io/RCluNRSBD/1
https://wago.io/TqaLSH6v3/1
I hope Hekili can add his auras, hidden auras, or relevant APIs, and allow me to use !buff.elemental_equilibrium_xxx.up to control corresponding skills and spells. Thank you.
As a Chinese player, the above expression was generated by an AI translation tool. If there are any impolite or nonsensical parts, please understand and correct me. Thank you all for your work!
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这个有必要建吗？
模拟、指南、班级分歧等都说你不需要刻意玩弄这个天赋。它会自动发生。
From a real - world M+ combat perspective, it's essential to add this. There's a coverage issue since it can auto - occur, but we need to land Fire/Frost/Nature hits within 10 seconds.
This is quite demanding. If we can control it with code like !buff.elemental_equilibrium_fire.up, we could achieve nearly 100%
coverage and reliably get that 10% bonus during Ascendance.
The main challenge would be handling hybrid - damage skills. For example, Flame Shock is Fire + Nature, and Elemental Blast is Fire + Frost + Nature. But Elemental Blast - triggered Elemental Equilibrium doesn't benefit from the Elemental Equilibrium bonus.
I tried using buff.elemental_equilibrium_debuff.down to detect when the buff fades and cast Frost Shock to trigger something at a certain rate. However, I've found that its value is always true.
Is this necessary to build?
The sims, guides, class discord, etc all say you don't need to purposefully play around this talent. It will just happen.
What is the uptime in existing sims (Patchwerk, HecticAddCleave, DungeonSlice)? If it has 10 second uptime and 30 second cooldown, 33% uptime would be the max we'd expect to see. The default profile achieves 33.43% uptime.
From a real - world M+ combat perspective, it's essential to add this. There's a coverage issue since it can auto - occur, but we need to land Fire/Frost/Nature hits within 10 seconds.
There are lots of traps in talent design where it sounds like something requires management but the opportunity cost of doing so is not worthwhile at all. Have you created a modified APL for SimulationCraft that (somehow) demonstrates equal or higher DPS through active management of this talent?
Yes, I created a modified APL for SimulationCraft to actively manage this talent and show equal or higher DPS. Now, I need a judgment statement to better control Elemental Equilibrium's triggering during bursts.
@Hekili我只会为 EE 添加一个元表。默认 APL 不会触及它，但如果人们想利用它来做自定义的事情，他们可以。
OK, fine. as long as there is support for the missing buff check on elemental_equilibrium, that's more than enough. Thank you so much! If you were in China, I'd even gift you a panda for your help!
Based on my M+ raiding experience, with a Season 1 score of 3500+ and a Season 2 score of 3150+, the key to mastering elemental_equilibrium isn't just coverage, but timing. Ideally, trigger it right before casting ascendance to benefit from its bonuses. Also, aim to activate it when your maelstrom is high so that elemental_blast and earthquake can benefit from both elemental_equilibrium and master_of_the_elements.
I've included two 5-minute single-target rotation screenshots. One is the default Elemental SimC rotation, and the other is my custom Hekili rotation. The custom rotation shows a DPS increase of over 200,000 in single-target fights.
Therefore, creating specific judgment statements for elemental_equilibrium is crucial, especially for hybrid-damage skills like flame_shock and elemental_blast, as well as single-element skills like frost_shock, lava_burst, and lightning_bolt.
They triggered elemental_equilibrium only nine times. However, by making it activate right before ascendance, I significantly boosted the burst damage, resulting in a 200k DPS increase. This would make it a top-tier DPS.
@Hekili I'll just throw in a meta table for EE. Default APL won't touch it, but if people want to leverage it for custom stuff they can.
Based on my M+ raiding experience, with a Season 1 score of 3500+ and a Season 2 score of 3150+, the key to mastering elemental_equilibrium isn't just coverage, but timing. Ideally, trigger it right before casting ascendance to benefit from its bonuses. Also, aim to activate it when your maelstrom is high so that elemental_blast and earthquake can benefit from both elemental_equilibrium and master_of_the_elements.
I've included two 5-minute single-target rotation screenshots. One is the default Elemental SimC rotation, and the other is my custom Hekili rotation. The custom rotation shows a DPS increase of over 200,000 in single-target fights.
Therefore, creating specific judgment statements for elemental_equilibrium is crucial, especially for hybrid-damage skills like flame_shock and elemental_blast, as well as single-element skills like frost_shock, lava_burst, and lightning_bolt.
They triggered elemental_equilibrium only nine times. However, by making it activate right before ascendance, I significantly boosted the burst damage, resulting in a 200k DPS increase. This would make it a top-tier DPS.
I don't suppose you would be willing to share this custom rotation I would be very interested as a player.
@Hekili我只会为 EE 添加一个元表。默认 APL 不会触及它，但如果人们想利用它来做自定义的事情，他们可以。
OK, fine. as long as there is support for the missing buff check on elemental_equilibrium, that's more than enough. Thank you so much! If you were in China, I'd even gift you a panda for your help!
Does the cooldown start when you get the buff.elemental_equilibrium, or when you lose it?
- 10 second buff -> 30 second no buff -> 10 second buff
or - 10 second buff -> 20 second no buff -> 10 second buff
Example during the "cooldown"
Example during the buff active
Example during the "preparation", with a frost spell already cast
@Hekili我只会为EE添加一个元表。APL不会超越它，但如果人们想利用它来做一个自定义的事情，他们可以。
好的，没问题。只要支持 elemental_equilibrium 上缺失的 buff 检查，就足够了。非常感谢！如果你在中国，我甚至会送你一只熊猫作为你的帮助！
冷却时间是在**获得时开始，
buff.elemental_equilibrium还是在失去**时开始？
- 10 秒增益 -> 30 秒**无**增益 -> 10 秒增益
或- 10 秒增益 -> 20 秒**无**增益 -> 10 秒增益
The cooldown for buff.elemental_equilibrium starts when it's gained
Strictly speaking, it's a skill triggered every 30 seconds. Despite its 10 - second duration and 20 - second cooldown, the overall trigger frequency is 30 seconds. The timeline is as follows:
根据我的 M+ 突袭经验，第 1 季得分为 3500+，第 2 季得分为 3150+，掌握 elemental_equilibrium 的关键不仅在于覆盖范围，还在于时机。理想情况下，在施放升天术之前触发它以从其奖励中受益。此外，尽量在漩涡较高时激活它，以便 elemental_blast 和地震可以同时从 elemental_equilibrium 和 master_of_the_elements 中受益。
我附上了两张 5 分钟单目标轮换截图。一张是默认的 Elemental SimC 轮换，另一张是我自定义的 Hekili 轮换。自定义轮换显示单目标战斗中的 DPS 增加超过 200,000。
因此，为elemental_equilibrium创建具体的判断语句至关重要，尤其是对于像flame_shock和elemental_blast这样的混合伤害技能，以及像frost_shock，lava_burst和lightning_bolt这样的单元素技能。
它们只触发了九次 elemental_equilibrium。然而，通过让它在升天之前激活，我显著提高了爆发伤害，导致 DPS 增加了 20 万。这将使其成为顶级 DPS。我想你不会愿意分享这个自定义轮换，但作为一名玩家我会非常感兴趣。
No, Hekili is a creative platform and a great one at that. Its creator selflessly developed it, and we should learn from such creators. If you want this file, contact me on Discord. Let me know your country, and I'll mail you a "panda." My ID is zhilingshixiao_
根据我的 M+ 突袭经验，第 1 季得分为 3500+，第 2 季得分为 3150+，掌握 elemental_equilibrium 的关键不仅在于覆盖范围，还在于时机。理想情况下，在施放升天术之前触发它以从其奖励中受益。此外，尽量在漩涡较高时激活它，以便 elemental_blast 和地震可以同时从 elemental_equilibrium 和 master_of_the_elements 中受益。
我附上了两张 5 分钟单目标轮换截图。一张是默认的 Elemental SimC 轮换，另一张是我自定义的 Hekili 轮换。自定义轮换显示单目标战斗中的 DPS 增加超过 200,000。
因此，为elemental_equilibrium创建具体的判断语句至关重要，尤其是对于像flame_shock和elemental_blast这样的混合伤害技能，以及像frost_shock，lava_burst和lightning_bolt这样的单元素技能。
它们只触发了九次 elemental_equilibrium。然而，通过让它在升天之前激活，我显著提高了爆发伤害，导致 DPS 增加了 20 万。这将使其成为顶级 DPS。我想你不会愿意分享这个自定义轮换，但作为一名玩家我会非常感兴趣。
No, Hekili is a creative platform and a great one at that. Its creator selflessly developed it, and we should learn from such creators. If you want this file, contact me on Discord. Let me know your country, and I'll mail you a "panda." My ID is zhilingshixiao_
Well said comrade I will see what they cook up and reach out to you if I get curious. Thanks for your contributions to making it even better